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Blog EntryJun 20, '08 4:28 PM
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Among scientists, there are as many string and multiverse theorists as are their antithesis--the opponents.  Both sides of the warring camps are armed with mathematics to passionately defend their respective positions (reminiscent of those that transpired during the birthing of quantum physics and relativity).  The debates never really end.  When new theories are proposed to solve physical problems or incompatibilities exhibited by theories that explain the very small and the very big -- particularly quantum physics and relativity -- heated, passionate debates are bound to happen.  And every scientist worth his salt will not let pass the chance to make significant contribution to advancing man's [with apologies to feminists] understanding of the universe.

....  And so the debates go on.  What underlies the multiverse theory is the philosophical viewpoint known as the anthropic principle. The anthropic principle states that:

The conditions necessary for the development of intelligent life will be met only in certain regions that are limited in space and time. That is, the region of the Universe in which we live is not necessarily representative of a purely random set of initial conditions; only those favorable to intelligent life would actually develop creatures who wonder what the initial conditions of the Universe were, and this process can only happen at certain times through the evolution of any given universe.


In simple language, If man did not exist there could have been no observer to ponder upon the vast mysteries of nature.  Now, to a significant number of scientists, this principle partakes of 'Design'.  And "Design" to a lot of people is automatically "Divine".  The above anthropic principle is named the Weak Anthropic Principle.

And the Strong Anthropic Principle really gives a punch.
 
If the laws of the Universe were not conducive to the development of intelligent creatures to ask about the initial conditions of the Universe, intelligent life would never have evolved to ask the question in the first place. In other words, the laws of the Universe are the way they are because if they weren't, no intelligent beings would be able to consider the laws of the Universe at all.

This Strong Anthropic Principle gives a stronger impression that there really is "Design".  Hence, some scientists are up in arms against this principle.


The Theory of Theories

Peter Woit has recently revisited the age old question Is the Universe Actually Made of Math? Of course this notion goes back at least as far as Plato but Max Tegmark has made a name for himself by promoting a version of Platonism in which all mathematical systems are valid universes and our one is selected by anthropomorphic arguments. I dont think the idea really originates with Tegmark but he has had more courage than most in promoting the idea in the face of certain ridicule from more conservative physicists.

Woit raises the obvious objection to the idea as follows:

"What is important though is that not all mathematical structures are equally important, central, or interesting, and this is the crucial point that Tegmark seems to me to be missing. Once you learn enough mathematics, you find certain recurring themes and deep structures throughout the subject. What fascinates me is that these often also turn out to be central in theoretical physics. Tegmark just accepts every mathematical structure as equally important, creating a huge undifferentiated multiverse where we occupy some random anthropically acceptable point. But the evidence is that the mathematical structure we inhabit is a very special one, sharing features of the very special structures that mathematicians have found to be at the core of modern mathematics. Why this is remains a great mystery, one well worth pursuing from both the mathematician’s and physicist’s points of view."

There is however a response to this objection. It is an application of emergence and universality in complex systems which are also very trendy so I continue to be astonished that nobody other than myself ever puts it forward when these discussions come up. As far as I know it is not part of Tekmark's hypothesis. In fact I first wrote about this in 1996 on my web pages. I later deleted the originals but Lubos Motl has preserved them here and it is also reproduced in my e-book here. Of course my writing also predate Tegmark's first publication on the subject which is here

I was going to add a comment to Woit's article but he is always very quick to delete anything that he regards as self-promotion of outlandish theories so I will just summarise the argument here instead.

In essence the argument goes as follows. If we except for a moment the hypothesis that all mathematical structures are universes, then of course the ensemble is dominated by complex systems rather than the simple ones mathematicians like to look at. There are more universes with complex rules than simple ones because given any reasonable definition of mathematical system and measure of simplicity there will only be a finite number of systems below a given bound on complexity and an infinite number above. So what happens in a vast ensemble of complex systems? The answer is that statistical effects always dominate and some universal behaviour emerges from the mess. So far no one has been able to study the statistical physics of the full ensemble of mathematical systems but if you limit yourself to a subset of systems such as some set of stochastic lattice based theories you can already see how it is going to work. In the quantum and/or thermodynamics of lattice theories there are critical surfaces in the moduli space where scaling diminishes the details of microscopic physics and macroscopic effects dominate. In the complete ensemble high dimensional volumes of parameter space crowd around these critical surfaces which can be described by a much smaller number of parameters. In this way a universal behaviour emerges from the ensemble and according to my hypothesis it is this universal behaviour which describes the more limited moduli space of the multiverse. The emergent physics will of course have much symmetry and will exhibit great mathematical richness, just as string theory does. You can start applying your ideas of anthropomorphic selection only after you have reduced the moduli space of all mathematical systems to the physics of this universal behaviour that dominates the ensemble of all universes.

OK, well I hope that's clear now! Of course it would be nice to have a more mathematical formulation of this hypothesis but I think that may have to wait for a better understanding of complex systems.
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Blog EntryJun 13, '08 12:47 AM
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Those of us who bewail the shortness of life, and resignedly rationalize by saying. "It's not how long you live but how meaningful you live your life," or words to that effect, you may have the chance to live very very long, and use that long life to live meaningfully.  Please click the relevant Link on this site to see more interesting topics.



Next Stop: Immortality

Extrapolative projections into the future by today's outstanding visionaries

Robert Anton Wilson

 Future Magazine, November 1978

According to the actuarial tables used by insurance companies, if you are in your 20s now you prob­ably have about 50 years more to live. If you are in your 40s, you have only about 30 years more and if you are in your 60s your life-expectancy is only about 10 years. These tables are based on averages, of course — not everybody dies precisely at the median age of 72.5 years — but these insurance tables are the best mathematical guesses about how long you will be with us. Right?

Wrong. Recent advances in gerontology (the science of aging, not to be confused with geriatrics, the treatment of the aged) have led many sober and cautious scien­tists to believe that human lifespan can be doubled, tripled or even extended in­definitely in this generation. If these researchers are right, nobody can predict your life expectancy. All the traditional assumptions on which the actuarial tables rest are obsolete. You might live a thou­sand years or even longer.

Of course, science-fiction people are just about the only audience in the country not staggered by the prospect of longevity. We've been reading about it for decades, and such superstars as Heinlein, Clarke and Simak have presented the subject very thoughtfully in several novels. But . . . longevity in this generation? In lecturing around the country on this topic, I have found even some SF freaks find that a lit­tle far out.

Well, consider: all aspects of research on longevity are accelerating and there has probably been more advance in this area since 1970 than in all previous scientific history. For instance, when I first wrote an article on this subject in 1973, the most op­timistic prediction I could find in the writings of Dr. John Bjorksten, one of the leading researchers, was that human lifespan might soon be extended to 140 years. But only four years later, in 1977, Dr. Bjorksten told the San Francisco Chronicle that he expects to see human life extended to 800 years.

This does not merely indicate that Dr. Bjorksten's personal optimism and en­thusiasm have been increasing lately: he is reflecting the emerging consensus of his peers. Dr. Alex Comfort, generally regard­ed as the world's leading gerontologist by others in the profession (although better known to the general public for his lubricious Joy of Sex books)said recently, "If the scientific and medical resources of the United States alone were mobilized, aging would be conquered within a decade." (Italics added.) That means most of us have a good chance of living through the Longevity Revolution.

Similarly, Dr. Paul Segall of UC-Berketey predicts that we will be able to raise human lifespan to "400 years or more" by the 1990s. Robert Prehoda, M.D., says in his Extended Youth that we might eventually raise life expectancy to "1,000 years or more." Hundreds of similarly optimistic predictions by research­ers currently working in life extension can be found in Albert Rosenfdd's recent book, Prolongevity.

Expert opinion on longevity has grown steadily more optimistic every time it has been surveyed, because the lab results are better every year. In 1964, a group of scientists was polled on the question and predicted chemical control of aging by the early 21st Century. In 1969, two similar polls found scientific opinion predicting longevity would be achieved between 1993 (low estimate) and 2017 (high estimate.) Dr. Bernard Strehler, one of the nation's leading researchers on aging, predicted more recently that the breakthrough would occur sometime between 1981 and 2001.

At the March 1978 Alcor Life Extension conference in Los Angeles, some of the experimental results justifying such forecasts were presented. Dr. Paul Segall reported on work in which he had increased the lifespan of rats to double the normal, with some evidence of rejuvenation as well. Dr. T. Makinodan did even better with ex­perimental fish, tripling their lifespan. Dr. Benjamin Frank reported a slowing down of aging in human subjects given nucleic acids.

The Russians have even claimed that the breakthrough has already been made. In August 1977, Dr. Sukharebsky and Dr. Komarov predicted that their current work would raise human lifespan to "400 years and even more." Two months later, in October 1977, two other Russian scientists. Dr. Mekhtiev and Dr. Minz, claimed to have stopped the aging process in 25 ex­perimental human subjects.

Even cryonic freezing — the long-range gambler's approach to longevity, when it started in the 60s — is advancing by leaps and quantum jumps. An October 1975 McGraw-Hill poll found the majority of experts in the field believed cryonic freezing would be perfected and perfectly safe by 2000. Dr. Paul Segall, since then, has several times brought back to life cryonically frozen hamsters — animals which were, by all life-function readings, "dead" during their freezing. Not only were the hamsters' hearts not beating (the 1960s' definition of death) but even their brain waves stopped (the 1978 definition of death); yet, after revival, they were as frisky and playful as if they had just had a good nap.

The full impact of the Longevity Revolution can only be grasped by con­sidering the "extremists" in the field — those who are aiming beyond life exten­sion to physical immortality. Albert Rosenfeld, science editor for Saturday Review, devotes a whole chapter of his Prolongevity to these Immortalists (as they call themselves) and he does not treat them with contempt. Among the leading Im­mortalists are Dr. Paul Segall (already mentioned several times here), novelist Alan Harrington, a Christian clergyman named A. Stuart Otto, who heads a group called The Committee for the Elimination of Death, and the ever-controversial Dr. Timothy Leary, who is currently touring the college lecture circuit preaching life-extension with the same fervor he once gave to consciousness expansion.

Some of the mainstream longevity researchers also seem to be closet Immor­talists. Dr. Bernard Strehkr, for instance, usually talks only of life-extension, but in an interview with Rosenfeld he stated flat­ly, "Man will never b* contented until he conquers death."

The basic Immortalist argument runs as follows. Be as conservative as you like in estimating the probable life-extension breakthroughs of the next two or three decades. Assume the relatively tame prediction made by Dr. Bjorksten back in 1973, when this research was (by com­parison with its present status) in its infan­cy. Say that Bjorksten was right then and we can only expect to see lifespan increas­ed to 140 years in the near future.

But this means that, if you are in your 40s, you will probably not be hauled off­stage by the Grim Reaper in 2008, as the insurance companies are betting. You will probably still be here in 2078. And if you are in your twenties or younger, you have a good chance of being around until 2098.

But if you will be around that long, what will happen in the meanwhile?

Even if the current predictions of such learned scientists as Dr. Segall, Dr. Prehoda and Dr. Komarov — projecting life spans of 400-1000 years — are a generation premature, two generations premature or even three or four generations premature, still, you have a good chance of being here when these dreams are achieved.

In short, even if we can only double lifespan in this generation, we will still be around when further breakthroughs will probably triple it, quadruple it or raise it into millenniums.

And then some of us will be here when the next quantum jump in lifespan occurs, and the next, until Immortality is achieved.

Longevity, Rosenfeld says, means "to have time to travel everywhere, and go back again and again to favorite places. To go on learning — new skills, new sports, new languages, new musical instruments. To undertake a variety of careers and a diversity of relationships; for some, perhaps, a diversity of marriages. To read everything you want to read. To listen to all the music. To look at all the pictures, and even paint a few. To savor and re-savor experience and arrive, not at boredom, but at new levels of appreciation."

Well, yes, but that's only part of what longevity offers. It means, also, to live through more scientific and technological breakthroughs than humanity has ex­perienced in its whole history. (After all, every branch of knowledge is increasing at an accelerating rate these days.) To live through the Age of Abundance predicted by Buckminster Fuller, when Space In­dustrialization ends the Malthusian crunch of planetside living and poverty disappears once and for all. To be around when physicists tap the zero-point energy and give us Super-Abundance. To see the con­sciousness revolution of the 60s blossom, as Tim Leary predicts, into an intelligence revolution, as we learn to program our nervous systems as efficiently as we pro­gram computers. To see a world without stupidity, poverty, neuroses and war, where the human brain will at last function smoothly, efficiently and ecstatically, to solve problems, maximize personal growth and enjoyment, free itself of imprinted limitations and fears.

To live in Gerald K. O'Neill's space towns and space cities and then to move on, with the next expanding wave, to the stars. To meet new friends, as human-dolphin, human-primate and human-extraterrestrial com­munication leap forward. To have unlimited space, unlimited time and unlimited consciousness to enjoy space and time. Possibly, to see time-travel achieved and share in its fallout, Immortali­ty, when we can go anywhere in the past or future, stay as long as we want, and come back to the moment we left.

There is no Utopian scenario we can dream of for our descendants that cannot be ours, too ... if the Longevity Revolu­tion is made our top national priority. I can't see why anything else should be a higher priority: there's nothing more worth living for than life itself. A crash project, similar to the Atom Bomb race of the 40s or the Space race of the 60s would certainly produce dramatic results within a decade. (We had the A-bomb five years after Roosevelt made it a national priority, the first man on the Moon eight years after Kennedy made that our goal.)

We have spent billions on Death since the cold war began 31 years ago; it is time we spent an equal amount on Life.

After all, if reading science-fiction is so much fun, wouldn't living it be even more of a turn-on?


This is a very dated post.  Still useful though.  Read on and understand, that when scientists succeed in harnessing the photosynthetic process artificially to produce energy and food (also, another form of energy), you will owe everything to plants. ;-) 

It is still unclear where most of our energy will come from in the longer-term future. Solar power cannot produce industrial quantities of electricity, while the tide is turning against wind turbines because they spoil the landscape and too many would be needed to replace conventional generators. Nuclear energy remains in the doldrums. Fossil fuels continue to threaten global warming.

But a promising new contender is emerging: the harnessing of photosynthesis, the mechanism by which plants derive their energy. The idea is to create artificial systems that exploit the basic chemistry of photosynthesis in order to produce hydrogen or other fuels both for engines and electricity. Hydrogen burns cleanly, yielding just water and energy. There is also the additional benefit that artificial photosynthesis could mop up any excess carbon dioxide left over from our present era of profligate fossil fuel consumption.

As we learned in school, photosynthesis is the process by which plants extract energy from sunlight to produce carbohydrates and ultimately proteins and fats from carbon dioxide and water, releasing oxygen into the atmosphere as a by-product. The evolution of photosynthesis in its current form made animal life possible by producing the oxygen we breathe and the carbon-based foods we eat. Photosynthesis does this on a massive scale, converting about 1,000bn metric tons of carbon dioxide into organic matter each year, yielding about 700bn metric tons of oxygen.

The first problem evolution faced was that the chemical reactions involved in carbohydrate formation are “uphill,” meaning they require energy to drive them forward. Only one source of energy was available on earth—from the sun—but the trouble is that “uphill” chemical reactions need energy in the form of electrons moving at high speeds to power them, in other words an electrical potential or voltage. Plants are in effect solar cells converting light into electrical energy. But for this to be sustainable, plants need a constant source of electrons, and this has to be an element or compound already present in the plant. Evolution tried a variety of chemicals such as hydrogen sulphide early on, and some of these are still used in certain bacteria. But there was a more promising candidate because of its ubiquitous presence — water.

It takes about 2.5 volts to break a single water molecule down into oxygen along with negatively charged electrons and positively charged protons. It is the extraction and separation of these oppositely charged electrons and protons from water molecules that provides the electric power. In plants, chlorophylls evolved to harvest light, and a complex labyrinth of proteins to conduct the photons (units of light energy) to a suitable centre where this crucial water-splitting takes place. In plants, oxygen is the only by-product of this process, but researchers realised some years ago that the reaction could be tweaked to produce hydrogen as well.

Still, tweaking photosynthesis to produce hydrogen rather than electrical energy is the easy bit, and researchers such as Stenbjörn Styring at Lund University in Sweden believe it will be possible to do so in artificial systems within one or two years. The hard part is to replicate the process of splitting water to obtain the electrons and protons in the first place, and this is where a recent breakthrough made by a British team at Imperial College comes in. Through a combination of rigorous analysis and innovative experiment, the team led by professors Jim Barber and So Iwata identified the precise location of just a few critical molecules of manganese, oxygen and calcium within the core of the plant’s photosynthesis engine where the water-splitting is performed.

What is striking about this chemical reaction, to which we owe our existence, is that the critical chemistry is co-ordinated by just a single atom of manganese within the photosynthesis core. The precise geometry of this core is vital to the process, as water molecules are shaped a bit like Mickey Mouse heads, with one oxygen atom bearing a pair of smaller hydrogen atoms forming the ears.

The achievement of Barber and colleagues has been to determine the precise events taking place within water-splitting at the molecular level as each photon of light arrives in the core. This is a level of detail far beyond that known for most chemical reactions in biology.

Following publication of this work in Science in March, leading specialists in artificial photosynthesis such as Styring are eager to start working on mimicking the water-splitting process in the laboratory. Attempts to do so have failed so far because the process is so finely balanced that the geometry has to be just right. Only now do researchers have sufficient detail of the geometry to start building workable systems.

Although such artificial systems will mimic the water-splitting chemistry of natural photosynthesis, they will not look like plants. Artificial systems will use metals such as ruthenium and iron to capture light and provide a scaffold for the water-splitting core. But the core itself would be based on manganese.

These are early days, but the recent breakthrough gives some grounds for optimism. The alternative method of producing hydrogen through water electrolysis powered by solar cells could also work, but photosynthesis promises a more efficient, elegant and economical source of power.

I still think the Solar Power Satellite idea is long overdue. Such a massive project would accomplish several things. It would solve ALL the worlds energy problems. It would cut world wide pollution down to a trickle. And best of all, it would bring launch costs and the space frontier to EVERYONE who wants to go!

Posted by paul at May 12, 2004 12:32 AM

Blog EntryJun 10, '08 11:22 AM
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Can Machines Be Conscious? By Christof Koch and Giulio Tononi


First Published June 2008


Yes—and a new Turing test might prove it

 

 

Image: Bryan Christie Design

 

Would you sell your soul on eBay? Right now, of course, you can't. But in some quarters it is taken for granted that within a generation, human beings—including you, if you can hang on for another 30 years or so—will have an alternative to death: being a ghost in a machine. You'll be able to upload your mind—your thoughts, memories, and personality—to a computer. And once you've reduced your consciousness to patterns of electrons, others will be able to copy it, edit it, sell it, or pirate it. It might be bundled with other electronic minds. And, of course, it could be deleted.

That's quite a scenario, considering that at the moment, nobody really knows exactly what consciousness is. Pressed for a pithy definition, we might call it the ineffable and enigmatic inner life of the mind. But that hardly captures the whirl of thought and sensation that blossoms when you see a loved one after a long absence, hear an exquisite violin solo, or relish an incredible meal. Some of the most brilliant minds in human history have pondered consciousness, and after a few thousand years we still can't say for sure if it is an intangible phenomenon or maybe even a kind of substance different from matter. We know it arises in the brain, but we don't know how or where in the brain. We don't even know if it requires specialized brain cells (or neurons) or some sort of special circuit arrangement of them.

Nevertheless, some in the singularity crowd are confident that we are within a few decades of building a computer, a simulacrum, that can experience the color red, savor the smell of a rose, feel pain and pleasure, and fall in love. It might be a robot with a “body.” Or it might just be software—a huge, ever-changing cloud of bits that inhabit an immensely complicated and elaborately constructed virtual domain.

We are among the few neuroscientists who have devoted a substantial part of their careers to studying consciousness. Our work has given us a unique perspective on what is arguably the most momentous issue in all of technology: whether consciousness will ever be artificially created.

We think it will—eventually. But perhaps not in the way that the most popular scenarios have envisioned it.

Consciousness is part of the natural world. It depends, we believe, only on mathematics and logic and on the imperfectly known laws of physics, chemistry, and biology; it does not arise from some magical or otherworldly quality. That's good news, because it means there's no reason why consciousness can't be reproduced in a machine—in theory, anyway.

In humans and animals, we know that the specific content of any conscious experience—the deep blue of an alpine sky, say, or the fragrance of jasmine redolent in the night air—is furnished by parts of the cerebral cortex, the outer layer of gray matter associated with thought, action, and other higher brain functions. If a sector of the cortex is destroyed by stroke or some other calamity, the person will no longer be conscious of whatever aspect of the world that part of the brain represents. For instance, a person whose visual cortex is partially damaged may be unable to recognize faces, even though he can still see eyes, mouths, ears, and other discrete facial features. Consciousness can be lost entirely if injuries permanently damage most of the cerebral cortex, as seen in patients like Terri Schiavo, who suffered from persistent vegetative state. Lesions of the cortical white matter, containing the fibers through which parts of the brain communicate, also cause unconsciousness. And small lesions deep within the brain along the midline of the thalamus and the midbrain can inactivate the cerebral cortex and indirectly lead to a coma—and a lack of consciousness.

To be conscious also requires the cortex and thalamus—the corticothalamic system—to be constantly suffused in a bath of substances known as neuromodulators, which aid or inhibit the transmission of nerve impulses. Finally, whatever the mechanisms necessary for consciousness, we know they must exist in both cortical hemispheres independently.

Much of what goes on in the brain has nothing to do with being conscious, however. Widespread damage to the cerebellum, the small structure at the base of the brain, has no effect on consciousness, despite the fact that more neurons reside there than in any other part of the brain. Neural activity obviously plays some essential role in consciousness but in itself is not enough to sustain a conscious state. We know that at the beginning of a deep sleep, consciousness fades, even though the neurons in the corticothalamic system continue to fire at a level of activity similar to that of quiet wakefulness.

Data from clinical studies and from basic research laboratories, made possible by the use of sophisticated instruments that detect and record neuronal activity, have given us a complex if still rudimentary understanding of the myriad processes that give rise to consciousness. We are still a very long way from being able to use this knowledge to build a conscious machine. Yet we can already take the first step in that long journey: we can list some aspects of consciousness that are not strictly necessary for building such an artifact.

Remarkably, consciousness does not seem to require many of the things we associate most deeply with being human: emotions, memory, self-reflection, language, sensing the world, and acting in it. Let's start with sensory input and motor output: being conscious requires neither. We humans are generally aware of what goes on around us and occasionally of what goes on within our own bodies. It's only natural to infer that consciousness is linked to our interaction with the world and with ourselves.

Yet when we dream, for instance, we are virtually disconnected from the environment—we acknowledge almost nothing of what happens around us, and our muscles are largely paralyzed. Nevertheless, we are conscious, sometimes vividly and grippingly so. This mental activity is reflected in electrical recordings of the dreaming brain showing that the corticothalamic system, intimately involved with sensory perception, continues to function more or less as it does in wakefulness.

Neurological evidence points to the same conclusion. People who have lost their eyesight can both imagine and dream in images, provided they had sight earlier in their lives. Patients with locked-in syndrome, which renders them almost completely paralyzed, are just as conscious as healthy subjects. Following a debilitating stroke, the French editor Jean-Dominique Bauby dictated his memoir, The Diving Bell and the Butterfly, by blinking his left eye. Stephen Hawking is a world-renowned physicist, best-selling author, and occasional guest star on “The Simpsons,” despite being immobilized from a degenerative neurological disorder.

So although being conscious depends on brain activity, it does not require any interaction with the environment. Whether the development of consciousness requires such interactions in early childhood, though, is a different matter.

How about emotions? Does a conscious being need to feel and display them? No: being conscious does not require emotion. People who've suffered damage to the frontal area of the brain, for instance, may exhibit a flat, emotionless affect; they are as dispassionate about their own predicament as they are about the problems of people around them. But even though their behavior is impaired and their judgment may be unsound, they still experience the sights and sounds of the world much the way normal people do.

 

 

PHOTO: EDGE CITY/UNIVERSAL/THE KOBAL COLLECTION

A BETTER TURING TEST: Shown this frame from the cult classic Repo Man [top], a conscious machine should be able to home in on the key elements [bottom]—a man with a gun, another man with raised arms, bottles on shelves—and conclude that it depicts a liquor-store robbery.

Primal emotions like anger, fear, surprise, and joy are useful and perhaps even essential for the survival of a conscious organism. Likewise, a conscious machine might rely on emotions to make choices and deal with the complexities of the world. But it could be just a cold, calculating engine—and yet still be conscious.

Psychologists argue that consciousness requires selective attention—that is, the ability to focus on a given object, thought, or activity. Some have even argued that consciousness is selective attention. After all, when you pay attention to something, you become conscious of that thing and its properties; when your attention shifts, the object fades from consciousness.

Nevertheless, recent evidence favors the idea that a person can consciously perceive an event or object without paying attention to it. When you're focused on a riveting movie, your surroundings aren't reduced to a tunnel. You may not hear the phone ringing or your spouse calling your name, but you remain aware of certain aspects of the world around you. And here's a surprise: the converse is also true. People can attend to events or objects—that is, their brains can preferentially process them—without consciously perceiving them. This fact suggests that being conscious does not require attention.

One experiment that supported this conclusion found that, as strange as it sounds, people could pay attention to an object that they never “saw.” Test subjects were shown static images of male and female nudes in one eye and rapidly flashing colored squares in the other eye. The flashing color rendered the nudes invisible—the subjects couldn't even say where the nudes were in the image. Yet the psychologists showed that subjects nevertheless registered the unseen image if it was of the opposite sex.

What of memory? Most of us vividly remember our first kiss, our first car, or the images of the crumbling Twin Towers on 9/11. This kind of episodic memory would seem to be an integral part of consciousness. But the clinic tells us otherwise: being conscious does not require either explicit or working memory.

In 1953, an epileptic man known to the public only as H.M. had most of his hippocampus and neighboring regions on both sides of the brain surgically removed as an experimental treatment for his condition. From that day on, he couldn't acquire any new long-term memories—not of the nurses and doctors who treated him, his room at the hospital, or any unfamiliar well-wishers who dropped by. He could recall only events that happened before his surgery. Such impairments, though, didn't turn H.M. into a zombie. He is still alive today, and even if he can't remember events from one day to the next, he is without doubt conscious.

The same holds true for the sort of working memory you need to perform any number of daily activities—to dial a phone number you just looked up or measure out the correct amount of crushed thyme given in the cookbook you just consulted. This memory is called dynamic because it lasts only as long as neuronal circuits remain active. But as with long-term memory, you don't need it to be conscious.

Self-reflection is another human trait that seems deeply linked to consciousness. To assess consciousness, psychologists and other scientists often rely on verbal reports from their subjects. They ask questions like “What did you see?” To answer, a subject conjures up an image by “looking inside” and recalling whatever it was that was just viewed. So it is only natural to suggest that consciousness arises through your ability to reflect on your perception.

As it turns out, though, being conscious does not require self-reflection. When we become absorbed in some intense perceptual task—such as playing a fast-paced video game, swerving on a motorcycle through moving traffic, or running along a mountain trail—we are vividly conscious of the external world, without any need for reflection or introspection.

Neuroimaging studies suggest that we can be vividly conscious even when the front of the cerebral cortex, involved in judgment and self-representation, is relatively inactive. Patients with widespread injury to the front of the brain demonstrate serious deficits in their cognitive, executive, emotional, and planning abilities. But they appear to have nearly intact perceptual abilities.

Finally, being conscious does not require language. We humans affirm our consciousness through speech, describing and discussing our experiences with one another. So it's natural to think that speech and consciousness are inextricably linked. They're not. There are many patients who lose the ability to understand or use words and yet remain conscious. And infants, monkeys, dogs, and mice cannot speak, but they are conscious and can report their experiences in other ways. 

So what about a machine? We're going to assume that a machine does not require anything to be conscious that a naturally evolved organism—you or me, for example—doesn't require. If that's the case, then, to be conscious a machine does not need to engage with its environment, nor does it need long-term memory or working memory; it does not require attention, self-reflection, language, or emotion. Those things may help the machine survive in the real world. But to simply have subjective experience—being pleased at the sight of wispy white clouds scurrying across a perfectly blue sky—those traits are probably not necessary.

So what is necessary? What are the essential properties of consciousness, those without which there is no experience whatsoever?

We think the answer to that question has to do with the amount of integrated information that an organism, or a machine, can generate. Let's say you are facing a blank screen that is alternately on or off, and you have been instructed to say “light” when the screen turns on and “dark” when it turns off. Next to you, a photodiode—one of the very simplest of machines—is set up to beep when the screen emits light and to stay silent when the screen is dark. The first problem that consciousness poses boils down to this: both you and the photodiode can differentiate between the screen being on or off, but while you can see light or dark, the photodiode does not consciously “see” anything. It merely responds to photons.

The key difference between you and the photodiode has to do with how much information is generated when the differentiation between light and dark is made. Information is classically defined as the reduction of uncertainty that occurs when one among many possible outcomes is chosen. So when the screen turns dark, the photodiode enters one of its two possible states; here, a state corresponds to one bit of information. But when you see the screen turn dark, you enter one out of a huge number of states: seeing a dark screen means you aren't seeing a blue, red, or green screen, the Statue of Liberty, a picture of your child's piano recital, or any of the other uncountable things that you have ever seen or could ever see. To you, “dark” means not just the opposite of light but also, and simultaneously, something different from colors, shapes, sounds, smells, or any mixture of the above.

So when you look at the dark screen, you rule out not just “light” but countless other possibilities. You don't think of the stupefying number of possibilities, of course, but their mere existence corresponds to a huge amount of information.

 

Conscious experience consists of more than just differentiating among many states, however. Consider an idealized 1-megapixel digital camera. Even if each photodiode in the imager were just binary, the number of different patterns that imager could record is 21 000 000. Indeed, the camera could easily enter a different state for every frame from every movie that was or could ever be produced. It's a staggering amount of information. Yet the camera is obviously not conscious. Why not?

Consciousness does not seem to require many of the things we associate with being human

We think that the difference between you and the camera has to do with integrated information. The camera can indeed be in any one of an absurdly large number of different states. However, the 1-megapixel sensor chip isn't a single integrated system but rather a collection of one million individual, completely independent photodiodes, each with a repertoire of two states. And a million photodiodes are collectively no smarter than one photodiode.

By contrast, the repertoire of states available to you cannot be subdivided. You know this from experience: when you consciously see a certain image, you experience that image as an integrated whole. No matter how hard you try, you cannot divvy it up into smaller thumbprint images, and you cannot experience its colors independently of the shapes, or the left half of your field of view independently of the right half. Underlying this unity is a multitude of causal interactions among the relevant parts of your brain. And unlike chopping up the photodiodes in a camera sensor, disconnecting the elements of your brain that feed into consciousness would have profoundly detrimental effects.

To be conscious, then, you need to be a single integrated entity with a large repertoire of states. Let's take this one step further: your level of consciousness has to do with how much integrated information you can generate. That's why you have a higher level of consciousness than a tree frog or a supercomputer.

It is possible to work out a theoretical framework for gauging how effective different neural architectures would be at generating integrated information and therefore attaining a conscious state. This framework, the integrated information theory of consciousness, or IIT, is grounded in the mathematics of information and complexity theory and provides a specific measure of the amount of integrated information generated by any system comprising interacting parts. We call that measure Φ and express it in bits. The larger the value of Φ, the larger the entity's conscious repertoire. (For students of information theory, Φ is an intrinsic property of the system, and so it is different from the Shannon information that can be sent through a channel.)

IIT suggests a way of assessing consciousness in a machine—a Turing Test for consciousness, if you will. Other attempts at gauging machine consciousness, or at least intelligence, have fallen short. Carrying on an engaging conversation in natural language or playing strategy games were at various times thought to be uniquely human attributes. Any machine that had those capabilities would also have a human intellect, researchers once thought. But subsequent events proved them wrong—computer programs such as the chatterbot ALICE and the chess-playing supercomputer Deep Blue, which famously bested Garry Kasparov in 1997, demonstrated that machines can display human-level performance in narrow tasks. Yet none of those inventions displayed evidence of consciousness.

Scientists have also proposed that displaying emotion, self-recognition, or purposeful behavior are suitable criteria for machine consciousness. However, as we mentioned earlier, there are people who are clearly conscious but do not exhibit those traits.

What, then, would be a better test for machine consciousness? According to IIT, consciousness implies the availability of a large repertoire of states belonging to a single integrated system. To be useful, those internal states should also be highly informative about the world.

One test would be to ask the machine to describe a scene in a way that efficiently differentiates the scene's key features from the immense range of other possible scenes. Humans are fantastically good at this: presented with a photo, a painting, or a frame from a movie, a normal adult can describe what's going on, no matter how bizarre or novel the image is.

Consider the following response to a particular image: “It's a robbery—there's a man holding a gun and pointing it at another man, maybe a store clerk.” Asked to elaborate, the person could go on to say that it's probably in a liquor store, given the bottles on the shelves, and that it may be in the United States, given the English-language newspaper and signs. Note that the exercise here is not to spot as many details as one can but to discriminate the scene, as a whole, from countless others.

So this is how we can test for machine consciousness: show it a picture and ask it for a concise description [see photos, “A Better Turing Test”]. The machine should be able to extract the gist of the image (it's a liquor store) and what's happening (it's a robbery). The machine should also be able to describe which objects are in the picture and which are not (where's the getaway car?), as well as the spatial relationships among the objects (the robber is holding a gun) and the causal relationships (the other man is holding up his hands because the bad guy is pointing a gun at him).

The machine would have to do as well as any of us to be considered as conscious as we humans are—so that a human judge could not tell the difference—and not only for the robbery scene but for any and all other scenes presented to it.

No machine or program comes close to pulling off such a feat today. In fact, image understanding remains one of the great unsolved problems of artificial intelligence. Machine-vision algorithms do a reasonable job of recognizing ZIP codes on envelopes or signatures on checks and at picking out pedestrians in street scenes. But deviate slightly from these well-constrained tasks and the algorithms fail utterly.

Very soon, computer scientists will no doubt create a program that can automatically label thousands of common objects in an image—a person, a building, a gun. But that software will still be far from conscious. Unless the program is explicitly written to conclude that the combination of man, gun, building, and terrified customer implies “robbery,” the program won't realize that something dangerous is going on. And even if it were so written, it might sound a false alarm if a 5‑year-old boy walked into view holding a toy pistol. A sufficiently conscious machine would not make such a mistake.

What is the best way to build a conscious machine? Two complementary strategies come to mind: either copying the mammalian brain or evolving a machine. Research groups worldwide are already pursuing both strategies, though not necessarily with the explicit goal of creating machine consciousness.

Though both of us work with detailed biophysical computer simulations of the cortex, we are not optimistic that modeling the brain will provide the insights needed to construct a conscious machine in the next few decades. Consider this sobering lesson: the roundworm Caenorhabditis elegans is a tiny creature whose brain has 302 nerve cells. Back in 1986, scientists used electron microscopy to painstakingly map its roughly 6000 chemical synapses and its complete wiring diagram. Yet more than two decades later, there is still no working model of how this minimal nervous system functions.

Now scale that up to a human brain with its 100 billion or so neurons and a couple hundred trillion synapses. Tracing all those synapses one by one is close to impossible, and it is not even clear whether it would be particularly useful, because the brain is astoundingly plastic, and the connection strengths of synapses are in constant flux. Simulating such a gigantic neural network model in the hope of seeing consciousness emerge, with millions of parameters whose values are only vaguely known, will not happen in the foreseeable future.

A more plausible alternative is to start with a suitably abstracted mammal-like architecture and evolve it into a conscious entity. Sony's robotic dog, Aibo, and its humanoid, Qrio, were rudimentary attempts; they operated under a large number of fixed but flexible rules. Those rules yielded some impressive, lifelike behavior—chasing balls, dancing, climbing stairs—but such robots have no chance of passing our consciousness test.

So let's try another tack. At MIT, computational neuroscientist Tomaso Poggio has shown that vision systems based on hierarchical, multilayered maps of neuronlike elements perform admirably at learning to categorize real-world images. In fact, they rival the performance of state-of-the-art machine-vision systems. Yet such systems are still very brittle. Move the test setup from cloudy New England to the brighter skies of Southern California and the system's performance suffers. To begin to approach human behavior, such systems must become vastly more robust; likewise, the range of what they can recognize must increase considerably to encompass essentially all possible scenes.

Contemplating how to build such a machine will inevitably shed light on scientists' understanding of our own consciousness. And just as we ourselves have evolved to experience and appreciate the infinite richness of the world, so too will we evolve constructs that share with us and other sentient animals the most ineffable, the most subjective of all features of life: consciousness itself.

 

About the Authors

CHRISTOF KOCH is a professor of cognitive and behavioral biology at Caltech.

GIULIO TONONI is a professor of psychiatry at the University of Wisconsin, Madison. In “Can Machines Be Conscious?”, the two neuroscientists discuss how to assess synthetic consciousness. Koch became interested in the physical basis of consciousness while suffering from a toothache. Why should the movement of certain ions across neuronal membranes in the brain give rise to pain? he wondered. Or, for that matter, to pleasure or the feeling of seeing the color blue? Contemplating such questions determined his research program for the next 20 years.

To Probe Further

For more on the integrated information theory of consciousness, read the sidebar “A Bit of Theory: Consciousness as Integrated Information.” For a consideration of quantum computers and consciousness, read the sidebar “Do You Need a Quantum Computer to Achieve Machine Consciousness?”

The Association for the Scientific Study of Consciousness, of which Christof Koch is executive director and Giulio Tononi is president-elect, publishes the journal Psyche and holds an annual conference. This year the group will meet in Taipei from 19 to 22 June. See the ASSC Web site for more information.

For details on the neurobiology of consciousness, see The Quest for Consciousness by Christof Koch (Roberts, 2004), with a forward by Francis Crick.

For more articles, videos, and special features, go to The Singularity Special Report

Got this from Ars Technica.  A very interesting read.

Is physics in need of some biological thinking?

By John Timmer | Published: June 05, 2008 - 04:36PM CT

The organizers of the World Science Festival were obviously thinking big when they entitled a panel Beyond Einstein: In Search of the Ultimate Explanation. The panel presented a single take on that search, as it was populated by string theorists, including Jim Gates, Janna Levin, and Leonard Susskind. The historian of science Peter Galison was on hand for perspective, and biologist (and Nobel Laureate) Paul Nurse moderated. Their discussion went a variety of places, but two main themes emerged: the motivations that drive people to seek to unify physics, and what biologists could teach physicists.

Searching for Unity

The big thing that needs unifying, in everyone's view, is to tie the force of gravity in with the other fundamental forces. Galison suggested that this is more challenging than it appears, noting the "story of physics is one of unification, but everyone has a unique view of unity." The physicists each spent some time discussing different points in history where unification took place. Susskind felt that a key moment came when Galileo suggested that the forces we see on earth also apply to heavenly bodies, a view that was ultimately confirmed by Newton. This eliminated the earlier belief that the two were completely separate realms.

Jim Gates pointed to Maxwell as another unifier; as soon as he had nailed down electromagnetism, he'd worked on trying to unify it with gravity; Gates called it an "inverse Einstein," since Einstein redefined gravity and then tried to unify it with electromagnetism. It didn't work out (for either of them), but Gates used it to illustrate the drive to unite, which is caused by the sense that, "there can't be two separate everywheres." He also thought we might be further along if it weren't for instrumentation issues; quantum mechanics made lots of predictions that could be explored with the technology of the day, while relativity really didn't. Levin picked up this thread and pointed out why, as someone who studies cosmology, a unification is appealing: she can get by without it, but the unification would allow her field to push into earlier moments of the big bang.

The three of them seemed to be hoping to find that unity in string theory, which has taken some hits for its lack of testable predictions. But Gates defended it by saying that the tools developed to probe string theory were now a permanent part of math, and may find applications elsewhere; "even if we wind up evidence-free," he said, "it will remain interesting." Gates argued that what they were learning about math was important, claiming, "mathematicians learn math from other mathematicians; physicists learn mathematics from nature, and we have a much better teacher."

For his part, Susskind argued that string theory is the best thing going. He'd happily drop it if a better theory came along, and would definitely walk away if an internal inconsistency popped up in the math or an experimental result ever indicated it was wrong. Levin had a practical take. Standard models don't handle dark matter or energy very well and, until they do, everything should be considered on the table.

Bringing biology to the strings

But, so far, string theory has been unsatisfying, in that the math involved seems to suggest it's compatible with a huge number of universes—the figure 10500 was thrown around. How is physics supposed to cope with that? In a big surprise, some of the panelists suggested that biology might hold some answers. I'm used to seeing physicists pay attention to biology only when they think they can bring intellectual rigor to what they view as an otherwise impoverished field—having them suggest that biology could inform physics was a bit of a shock.

But the ideas involved were really intriguing. Susskind compared the mathematics of strings to the four bases of DNA: from a simple foundation, nearly limitless combinations were possible. Biologists have long recognized that mutation could generate essentially any combination of bases possible within the time span of life on earth, but we have a unifying principle—natural selection—that helps us identify why only a limited subset of the possibilities are around. Maybe, Susskind suggested, what physics really needs is something along the lines of evolution—not a Darwinian struggle, but rather a coherent framework—to tell it what fraction of those 10500 possible universes make sense.

Gates took the analogy and ran with it, suggesting his research could be called a "Cosmic Genome Project." He's hoping to find the equivalent of genetic markers in string space, features that will help us come to grips with the local landscape. He also suggested that what biology is learning about the spontaneous emergence of complex networks might help us understand whether space and time were simply emergent properties.

But biology might lend a helping hand in another way. Susskind suggested that, "there are a class of big problems that are so deep we can't even be sure if they're problems or not." What he seemed to mean is that we think some things are problems only because they violate our expectations, not because there's actually anything wrong with the physics. Susskind suggested that a combination of a theory of mind and a knowledge of evolutionary constraints would help us figure out when our minds were playing tricks on physics.

Gates argued that, to a certain extent, we have that in the form of math, noting that Darwin had suggested our math abilities had become like a new sense for us. But Galison pointed out that biological evolution wasn't always a constraint. He noted that relativity was once considered counterintuitive, but people have since developed the ability to intuit based on it. We might have a built-in "physics grokker," as Susskind put it, but it could learn new physics.

Is string theory ready for a Darwinian selection of universes? I don't think anyone on stage or in the audience knew. As Susskind put it, "you can't expect to find unity more than once, and you can't predict where you'll find it." Galison seemed to think string theory might be trying to do too much. Newton, he pointed out, got planetary motion to work by actually explaining less than Kepler tried to.

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GwenKhan

Ugh. Maybe I'm only limiting myself, but I guess I'm somewhat of a "hard-nosed" physicist: I hate the anthropic principle, I hate the many-worlds interpretation, and I really hate string theory. It hasn't proven anything, and there are serious doubts it ever will, what good is it? I'll be honest, this talk of using biological principles to try and come up with a GUT disgusts me. I just can't accept that physical laws vary so wildly across an essentially infinite number of universes, and then get "whittled" to what we see today.

June 05, 2008 @ 04:41PM

Sean Othin

Was there any talk of what that analogy actually means or entails? What's a universal gene, anyway? Mindless speculation.

June 05, 2008 @ 04:56PM

charleski

quote:
I'm used to seeing physicists pay attention to biology only when they think they can bring intellectual rigor to what they view as an otherwise impoverished field—having them suggest that biology could inform physics was a bit of a shock.
As a biologist, I feel entitled to oblige myself with a hearty chuckle.

Physics (and all its offshoots, such as astronomy) remains afflicted with the philosophical curse of Occam's Razor, which is ultimately grounded in a terribly anthropocentric concept of reality. There is no essential justification for the proscription of multiple entities beyond our own desire for simple explanations. A study of biology soon removes any notion that any living system may be 'understood' as a simple set of relations.

June 05, 2008 @ 05:27PM

ansaytor

quote:
Ugh. Maybe I'm only limiting myself, but I guess I'm somewhat of a "hard-nosed" physicist: I hate the anthropic principle, I hate the many-worlds interpretation, and I really hate string theory. It hasn't proven anything, and there are serious doubts it ever will, what good is it? I'll be honest, this talk of using biological principles to try and come up with a GUT disgusts me. I just can't accept that physical laws vary so wildly across an essentially infinite number of universes, and then get "whittled" to what we see today.


Wasn't that one of the points of the article? That our expectations often get in the way?

Nature just doesn't care if we approve or not (I'm not advocating String Theory). That being the case, and knowing how many times our views of the universe has been drastically altered, I'm trying to be ready for more surprises.

June 05, 2008 @ 05:30PM

SiriusScaper

quote:
Originally posted by charleski:
quote:
I'm used to seeing physicists pay attention to biology only when they think they can bring intellectual rigor to what they view as an otherwise impoverished field—having them suggest that biology could inform physics was a bit of a shock.
As a biologist, I feel entitled to oblige myself with a hearty chuckle.

Physics (and all its offshoots, such as astronomy) remains afflicted with the philosophical curse of Occam's Razor, which is ultimately grounded in a terribly anthropocentric concept of reality. There is no essential justification for the proscription of multiple entities beyond our own desire for simple explanations. A study of biology soon removes any notion that any living system may be 'understood' as a simple set of relations.


I just want to say as a future biologist you put forth the realities of biology, and for that matter the natural world very eloquently. I agree that its often to easy to look at the world in a way that makes sense to us, which as it happens is not necessarily how it works.

Hopefully science festivals in the US will take off now. I think they have potential to bring lots of different perspectives from all areas of science or non-science backgrounds to the same place.

Seems like a great way to push science forward.

June 05, 2008 @ 05:55PM

dnjake

Basically physics can use mathmatical languages and technology to explore phenomena beyond those that can be experienced directly by the human mind and human sensation. If there are relatively simple phenomena to be found, physics can find them. If there are not, physics cannot. There is no reason to expect explanations of reality satisfying to human beings. In fact, Einstein had a hard time accepting that reality. But, of course, it is always possible that there is something to be found. Potentially any language that describes the content of a testable reality might be useful in finding it.

June 05, 2008 @ 05:56PM

Dr. Jay

quote:
Originally posted by Sean Othin:
Was there any talk of what that analogy actually means or entails? What's a universal gene, anyway? Mindless speculation.

Well, by analogy, i'd assumed he meant trying to nail down what those 10^500 options looked like, in much the same way that the human genome project told us what was at each of the 3 billion base positions. That helps make a certain degree of sense out of his genetic markers comment, too.

June 05, 2008 @ 05:56PM

Zytsef

quote:
Originally posted by charleski:
As a biologist, I feel entitled to oblige myself with a hearty chuckle.

Physics (and all its offshoots, such as astronomy) remains afflicted with the philosophical curse of Occam's Razor, which is ultimately grounded in a terribly anthropocentric concept of reality. There is no essential justification for the proscription of multiple entities beyond our own desire for simple explanations. A study of biology soon removes any notion that any living system may be 'understood' as a simple set of relations.


What good is a physics that people can't understand? Occam's Razor is a limited tool, certainly, but it helps physics make sense. That's why we should be relying on experimentation and use Occam's Razor as a compliment.

Using these techniques we have actually been quite successful in describing large chunks of the universe with a fair degree of accuracy. To write the whole thing off because it relies on an anthropocentric concept of reality would be poorly informed. As a biologist, shouldn't you be obliged to point out that any view of reality coming from a human is going to be in human terms?

June 05, 2008 @ 07:15PM

charleski

quote:
Originally posted by Zytsef:
What good is a physics that people can't understand? Occam's Razor is a limited tool, certainly, but it helps physics make sense.
Hmm, take a look at a typical physics journal. These are quite impenetrable without a understanding of the mathematical shorthand used. Physics has long been hard to understand, but the difficulty has been expressed in the length of its logical chains, all branching out from a very small number of assumptions.

Occam's Razor is a fundamental underlying assumption whose purpose lies in pruning down the ambit of the branching chains of logic. It is a tool, nothing else. The Razor's greatest hour lay with the refutation of the Ptolemaic notion of epicycles. That led to a world-view in which all was settled apart from the precession of the orbit of Mercury, and we all know how that turned out.

quote:
That's why we should be relying on experimentation and use Occam's Razor as a compliment.
I have no argument at all with the notion of using Occam's Razor as an intellectual tool, as a doctor I use it every day, with the awareness that it is merely a tool. I have great argument with the notion that Occam's Razor corresponds with a fundamental principle, which is how it is taught far too often. The invocation of the Razor is far too often merely a coded reference to decrepit Platonic ideals that still linger within Physics.

quote:
Using these techniques we have actually been quite successful in describing large chunks of the universe with a fair degree of accuracy. To write the whole thing off because it relies on an anthropocentric concept of reality would be poorly informed.
The success of modern physics largely relies on its embrace of stochastic effects as manifested by quantum mechanics, it would be wrong to deny the deep philosophical ruction that represented ("God doesn't play dice"). Of course I don't write it off, but for the past ten years Physics has been besieged by the bogeyman of dark-energy. Physics has done very well indeed, but it would be absurd to pretend that it is not plagued by problems that cut to its very heart.

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As a biologist, shouldn't you be obliged to point out that any view of reality coming from a human is going to be in human terms?
No. I don't think that we are that limited, I don't think that every scientific theory should be neatly explicable in a PBS documentary. In fact, biological systems are among the least easily explicable elements of science. The biological machine is a massively branching complex of relationships and interactions that follows no set system. We understand it as a society, no one individual has the capability to retain the fullness of its complexity.

June 05, 2008 @ 08:29PM

mperrin

The idea of Darwinian selection between universes in a multiverse isn't actually all that new. Lee Smolin at the Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics in Canada has been advocating it for years. See in particular his book "The Life of the Cosmos", which I highly recommend. Smolin is part of the loop quantum gravity camp (one of the few plausible alternatives to string theory), but the basic ideas of selection between universes he presents could potentially apply equally well no matter what the base physics underlying the multiverse is.

I'm not suggesting that any of this is right, mind you! But it's not a new idea by any means.

June 05, 2008 @ 08:29PM

kcisobderf

String Theory needs a testable prediction yesterday! Otherwise, you may as well call it T&E, Turtles and Epicycles.

June 05, 2008 @ 08:30PM

Dr. Jay

quote:
Originally posted by mperrin:
Smolin is part of the loop quantum gravity camp (one of the few plausible alternatives to string theory), but the basic ideas of selection between universes he presents could potentially apply equally well no matter what the base physics underlying the multiverse is.

I'm not suggesting that any of this is right, mind you! But it's not a new idea by any means.

Yeah, that's something that i was thinking of mentioning. Even if you think string theory is a waste of time, none of the other theories have any suggestions as to why the fundamental properties of our universe are what they are, and most of the math suggests that some sort of multiverse is likely. So, this "we need an organizing principle for multiple universes" is a general theme in physics that isn't string theory specific.

Incidentally, since he did a good job talking about complicated concepts, I caught up with Gates afterwards and asked him to try to explain loop quantum gravity in approachable terms. Turns out he can't stand it. He gave me a good, three sentence description, but suggested i'd need to find someone else to explain why it was a good idea.

June 05, 2008 @ 08:39PM

ibad

I think its beautiful and brilliant to use a better understanding of the human brain and its limitations to help us see which of our intuitions are likely to be false or unproductive and what we would have huge difficulties in understanding.

It could certainly allow us to refine scientific debate and make it more rational, and let us look for unexpected things in unexpected places. We could also, with better precision, identify the intellectual mistakes of HIV deniers or creationists etc and the psychological and neurological roots of those mistakes. A bit like we study optical illusions and the mechanisms behind them.

Scientific debate that is informed by our knowledge of intellectual mistakes and fallacies and our own limitation would not only be more rigorous but... we could have a much better idea of how to replicate human intelligence if we knew more about it.

It would also let us create machines that could think beyond our limitations and help us understand and inquire more fruitfully.

I wonder if some links between the study of our mental limitations and computational theory could tell us difinitively if the computers we've created are even capable of computing all physics? Is a hypercomputer neccessary for science at all?

@GwenKhan.... why do you hate the many worlds hypothesis if you hate the anthropic principle? Multiple universes are the ultimate rebuke to the Anthropic principle, no?

June 05, 2008 @ 10:18PM

MAlan

quote:
I think its beautiful and brilliant to use a better understanding of the human brain and its limitations to help us see which of our intuitions are likely to be false or unproductive and what we would have huge difficulties in understanding.


I don't think we necessarily need a better understanding of the human brain for making progress on the multiverse question. I think it is more important to gain an understanding on the link between many brains and its influence on our collectcive perceptions of what is right vs. what is wrong in any current unifying theory of physics. What I mean is that humans display the herding instinct quite strongly. Put any two humans together and you can have a herd mentality going. In the wild this herding instinct protected us from danger but in intellectual and financial endeavors it can hold us back big time. Why were certain theories held as fact for so long before they were disproven? The answer is the herding instinct.

There is a string theory herd. Now they might be right about a lot of things but maybe what ails them is their very culture. It amazes me that some of the most ground breaking physics was done in almost complete solitary. Newton's life was solitary indeed. Einstein, while having many people around him, had the unique ability to simply ignore people at a party and think about physics. I think this is a very important observation. The human interface is bad for communication and causes all kinds of feedback on thought. Not all of it good.

However, we are humans and we need each other. It is a hopeless state of affairs.

June 05, 2008 @ 11:32PM



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http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/04/02/8041/
Published on Wednesday, April 2, 2008 by the Seattle Post-Intelligencer

Land Grab on a Global Scale

by Dennis Martinez

Among the English-speaking settler societies - U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand - an irrational but powerful myth still prevails. It drove "manifest destiny" and is still alive and well, if usually unconscious.

Divinely inspired colonists wrested lands occupied by native peoples and bestowed the mixed blessings of civilization on them. The rationalization for dispossession then - and now - was that these "primitive" peoples were not making productive use of their lands. What they did not know, and still do not, is that they took over lands that were largely shaped and maintained by indigenous peoples through extensive and intensive land care practices that enabled them to not only survive but also thrive.

Enter the 21st century. The work of indigenous dispossession is about to be completed. The last great global land grab and indigenous asset stripping is happening as I write. (I borrowed these phrases from Rebecca Adamson of First Peoples Worldwide and Andy White of Rights
and Resources Initiative at a meeting of the World Bank that I participated in.)

We have a big problem. Some unintended outcomes of well-intentioned climate mitigation measures are below the media radar screen. Land values are dramatically increasing because of demand by northern multinational corporations for land to produce biofuels, plantation monocultures for carbon trading offsets and transfat substitutes such as palm oil in the developing south.

Indigenous peoples presently occupy 22 percent of the Earth's land surface, are stewards of 80 percent of remaining biodiversity and comprise 90 percent of cultural diversity. As demand increases the value of indigenous lands - already poorly protected - the rate of loss of indigenous assets and livelihood options becomes more rapid. Adding to these losses are losses of homelands set aside by big environmental NGOs and third-world government elites for conservation reserves and parks through forced evictions. Also disappearing is global genetic diversity maintained by indigenous peoples, which is essential for maintaining the capacity of plants and animals to adapt to climate change.

Disappearing with land and resources are an incalculable wealth of stewardship experience and knowledge. But climate change is here. While the developed north (west) is scrambling for solutions, indigenous peoples are receiving the brunt of the effects of climate change caused by the north. Ignored in the global debate are indigenous cultures that have survived intact for millennia while "great" civilizations have repeatedly collapsed. Indigenous peoples are neither noble nor ignoble.

Some have made environmental mistakes in the past and did not survive. The cultures that survived have done so in proportion as they have learned to adapt. They are just people like everyone else, but people with great practical know-how.

The current economic asymmetry is the result of the myth that wealth will eventually filter down to the poor through so-called free trade and speculative global markets. But as the wealth of a small number of privileged individuals has increased, world poverty has increased fivefold.

The Rio Convention on Biological Diversity (1992), Article 8 (j), and Agenda 21 affirmed that indigenous cultures protect biodiversity and should be compensated for their sustainable practices and products. But the U.S.-dominated Uruguay round of GATT in the same year effectively shut out indigenous peoples from any protection or compensation.

In the meantime the world is losing its best strategy for mitigating climate change - viable indigenous cultures who are the stewards of genetic diversity through traditional land practices. They will also lose the continuing contributions of native knowledge to medicine,
sustainable agriculture, health products, lubricants, common foods, wildlife and fisheries management, and more.

The tobacco industry is now liable for costs to states for paying smokers' health bills. Why not hold the developed nations accountable for the damage to ecosystems and indigenous ecosystem peoples who are suffering from climate change that they didn't cause? Where is the accountability? Why not support existing national and international laws and treaties that are simply ignored?

We do not want victimhood. We want parity and compensation through recognition of our substantial contributions to your wealth. It is not an "ethnic" issue. Indigenous peoples are the miner's canary. It is about the survival of all humans and it is about the loss of the collective heritage of our species. It is all of our lands and all of our assets that are being stolen by economic criminals. They benefit and we pay.

Dennis Martinez is founder and co-chairman of the Indigenous Peoples' Restoration Network of the Society for Ecological Restoration International.

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